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daxo



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:42 pm    Post subject: Weird Snail Morph -- Please Read Reply with quote

When I purchased a clump of floating plants (Elodea/Egeria densa) from
an aquarium and was examining the clear bag on the way home I noticed a
snail was a stowaway on my purchase. Just a single snail (like most of
you I examine every leaf on a new plant before placing it in a tank,
just habit I guess Wink

I placed it in an empty tank (no fish or other animals, just plants).
The following is an attempt to I.D. this species, whose behavior and
form are like nothing I've seen. This has all taken place in a timeframe
of the last six months.

Within a week I noticed my first clump of snail eggs in the tank. Clear
masses of jelly with clear eggs in them cemented to the water line on the
glass sides or to plants at the water line. If the eggs are laid against
the glass, you can use a lens to watch the embryos develop. They grow
rapidly, pretty soon the jelly mass is dotted with miniature snails all
perfect copies of their parent. At this point they break free and the
jelly dissolves. As I said, they are perfect mini copies of the parent,
including their shells (traditional compact whorls). As they get larger
a metamorphosis occurs, their shell shape changes to ramshorn, in other
words no longer a round traditional shell but one that is severely
compressed on both sides and is shaped like a cinnamon roll, only unlike
the ramshorn snail you see in pet shops they don't carry their shells
upright, it rests on one side. Picture that same cinnamon roll laying
on a table with a snail's head sticking out of the final whorl.

I scratched my head at this point, thinking I must have another snail
species in this tank, no way could these juvenile snails have come from
this parent. But I knew no other snail was present. As they grew their
shell shape morphed again, back to the original version! Since then it
has stayed that way and because the first batch of babies is about the
size the original snail was when I first brought it home it looks like
this is the final form of shell shape for the species. But the
weirdness is much more than that! There are two distinct variations
in this population that differ not only in color but in body shape!
Let me explain:

Type 1. Body color white. Tentacles above eyes VERY SHORT AND WIDE,
shaped like shark fins. Body/foot short and rounded at the
tail end. Shell coloring whitish through yellowish to light
brown. Shell is formed CLOCKWISE, the whorls (if you were
looking at the shell with the pointed tip facing you)form
via clockwise rotations around the shell.

Type 2. Body color gray/brown. Tentacles above eyes LONG AND TAPERING,
like traditional land snail or slug tentacles except the eyes
are not located at their tips but are below them. Body/foot
long and tapering at the tail end, coming to a point. Shell
coloring yellow brown to reddish brown. Shell is formed
COUNTERCLOCKWISE, the opposite of Type 1! Every snail so far
without exception has followed this clockwise/counterclockwise
difference depending on their type. Amazing!

A couple of more points; The original parent snail of this colony
is a Type 1, it has now reached a shell length of a little under 1 inch
(2.5 cm) from tip of shell to other end. It is about 3 times larger
than it was when I first brought it home. Although my guess is
Type 2 is the wild type and Type 1 is a recessive form, Type 1 snails
outnumber Type 2 snails dramatically in every litter so far.

If you have any thoughts or guesses on this species' I.D. please let
me know either on the list or in private email. Any other info or
online sources of information for this strange variation you could
pass on to me? Personal experience? All information will be
appreciated, thanks.

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Cichlidiot



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: Weird Snail Morph -- Please Read Reply with quote

Well, the eggs at the water line made me quickly think "apple snail" of
some sort, even though the inch size is a bit small for the apple snails I
usually see at the pet store. The color of the eggs will also help in the
identification as different species have different colors. Here's a very
detailed webpage on several varieties of apple snails:

http://www.applesnail.net/

Other common snails such as Malaysian trumpet snails (MTS) and common pond
snails can be ruled out due to the nature of the egg laying. MTS are
livebearers, so there are no eggs with them. Common pond snails lay their
eggs anywhere and everywhere, not just at the water line.

Here are a few other links with photos and information on freshwater
snails (gathered from Google):

http://members.aol.com/mkohl1/Gastropods.html
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~rrhudy1/snail.htm
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Garage/3323/pomacea.html
http://perso.infonie.be/pomacea/index01_uk.htm
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daxo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Weird Snail Morph -- Please Read Reply with quote

Cichlidiot wrote in message news:...
> Well, the eggs at the water line made me quickly think "apple snail" of
> some sort, even though the inch size is a bit small for the apple snails I
> usually see at the pet store. The color of the eggs will also help in the
> identification as different species have different colors.

Thanks for the interesting links. I don't think they are part of the
apple snail clan because they lack the secondary labial tentacles
(they only have one pair above the eyes) and apple snail eggs are much
harder and larger. My snail's eggs when first laid are a simple clear
sausage of jelly with tiny white dots (the yolk location for each
individual egg) embedded in them. You can also see the clear circular
wall for each individual egg cell. As they grow the tiny snails become
bigger and take up the spherical space of each clear egg, constantly
moving within each circular bubble and frequently rotating their entire
bodies. Their eggs never break the surface of the jelly mass or have
individual capsule-like outlines as you see with apple snail eggs.
When they're ready to hatch the whole jelly mass dissolves away.
This mass is always laid right under the water line or just breaking the
surface, never well above it.

From the info you've given me the closest visual shell match is
Isidorella hainesii, a species of Australian snail. Quite possible
I guess because here in California we frequently get exotic stowaways
in fish shipments from South-East Asia and Australasia.

The fact that there is an albino-like short tentacled morph though tells
me this is either an exceedingly rair wild caught albino or this
particular species is being bred somewhere by hobbyists possibly
in Japan or Indonesia. If anyone reading this has their curiousity
stimulated please read my first message in this thread and give us
your conclusions.

> Other common snails such as Malaysian trumpet snails (MTS) and common pond
> snails can be ruled out due to the nature of the egg laying. MTS are
> livebearers, so there are no eggs with them. Common pond snails lay their
> eggs anywhere and everywhere, not just at the water line.

Yes, I also keep MTS (in a separate tank) so I'm well familiar with them.
Despite being livebearers, the most fascinating thing about them is their
body structure, they look like a species that should be in saltwater
not fresh! They have the ungraceful halting movement typical of a conch.
They also have a conch's profile, a long nose-like facial appendage with
a gigantic vacuum-like mouth at the end with powerful radula teeth. They
use this strange contraption to balloon over a large food item and swallow
it whole, like their sea cousins do. Watching them engulf and swallow a
leaf or other item whole is pretty amazing.
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Jennifer Brooks



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Weird Snail Morph -- Please Read Reply with quote

Check out this site on snails, you will find the answers to your mystery! Click
on the "Various" link, takes you to all the different types of freshwater
snails!
http://applesnail.net/
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Jennifer Brooks



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Weird Snail Morph -- Please Read Reply with quote

I gave you the applesnail.net link because on one of their pages, they describe
all the other freshwater snails, complete with photos. Might want to go back
and take a look. By the way, they sound like ramshorns, of which there are many
species! Jen
Also, there are links on that site to other snails sites, get a reading, LOL!!
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Dr Engelbert Buxbaum



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Weird Snail Morph -- Please Read Reply with quote

daxo wrote:

> There are two distinct variations
> in this population that differ not only in color but in body shape!
> Let me explain:
>
> Type 1. Body color white. Tentacles above eyes VERY SHORT AND WIDE,
> shaped like shark fins. Body/foot short and rounded at the
> tail end. Shell coloring whitish through yellowish to light
> brown. Shell is formed CLOCKWISE, the whorls (if you were
> looking at the shell with the pointed tip facing you)form
> via clockwise rotations around the shell.
>
> Type 2. Body color gray/brown. Tentacles above eyes LONG AND TAPERING,
> like traditional land snail or slug tentacles except the eyes
> are not located at their tips but are below them. Body/foot
> long and tapering at the tail end, coming to a point. Shell
> coloring yellow brown to reddish brown. Shell is formed
> COUNTERCLOCKWISE, the opposite of Type 1! Every snail so far
> without exception has followed this clockwise/counterclockwise
> difference depending on their type. Amazing!

I am unable to identify that species, but two remarks:

In many species of moluscs you occasionally get mutations with opposite
turning sense, often they are highly priced by collectors. Maybe your
little ones were fathered by such a mutant.

The development of the pond snails has just been described in detail in
a paper in the last issue of Mikrokosmos, a German magazine devoted to
microscopy. Other moluscs develope very similarly, but in pond snails
eggs and egg bags are transparent, so that observation is easy. You may
enjoy the microphotography in that paper.

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