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carlrs



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

Keyser Sose wrote:
> Hello guys,
> I am about to set my tank up again from scratch after giving away my
> previous fish due to a house move. I used to keep freshwater and was quite
> successful thoiugh I never succeeded in breeding any species. I used to
> keep plastic plants as well.
>
> I have a clean slate and I am interested in Marine. I love the Yellow Tangs
> and Clowns and would love to set this up. However, I have heard that marine
> is many times more diffcult than fresh. I can understand that to some
> extent because of the water minerals etc. However, is it really all that
> difficult?
>
> Any good resources and books? Or should I forget the idea and stick with
> fresh water?
>
> Thanks for any tips and advice.
>
> Steve

I don't think keeping marine fish is that much harder than many
Freshwater fish (especially discus). Marine Reef tanks are definately
more difficult.
I have kept and maintained Saltwater aquaria for many years and there
are a few principles to follow;

[1] Filtration; Good filtration is a must for a successful marine
aquarium. There are many different filters available too.

Canister filters are good for their capacity, but can become Nitrate
factories is not rinsed very regularly. I do not recommend Fluvals due
to their poor impeller design. Via Aqua. Eheim, Jebo, and Magnum are
the ones I recommend.

Wet/Dry filters are good, but usually are poor mechanical filters. The
bio ball media in them also should be rinsed regularly in
de-chlorinated water to prevent a buildup of organic material,
increasing nitrates.

Sump systems with live rock, plants, and sponge filters work well. The
live rock is excellent for aerobic filtration (ammonia and nitrite
removal) and anaerobic filtration (nitrate removal). The live plants
and green algae are good for nitrogen fixing and phosphate removal. The
sponge filter is a simple to clean aerobic bio-filter and mechanical
filter.

Hang on back filters are very limited, but can be used too, especially
if combined with other bio filters. Internal filters are also limited,
but once again are good combined with others.

Filter redundancy is also important, as filters/pumps can break down.
Extra filters also increase bio and mechanical filtration. An
economical combination would be a sponge filter, internal filter, and a
hang on back (power filter).

[2] Lighting; A 10,000 K Daylight bulb is a start, better would be a
50/50 daylight/ 420nm actinic bulb, or better yet would be one of each.

[3] Test Kits; an ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, ph, and KH (alkalinity)
test kit are all important.

[4] Water Chemistry; Start with a good marine salt and mix it to a
specific gravity of 1.019- 1.021 for fish. Change water regularly (see
my blog Reasons for aquarium cleaning ).
Add trace elements and aquarium buffer. SeaChem makes an excellent
product called Reef Calcium which maintains KH, adds calcium and
magnesium. Many products available do not add both calcium and
magnesium (such as Kalkwasser), and they are BOTH necessary together
for proper chemistry and fish health. It should be noted, that unlike
freshwater fish which absorb the water around them, marine fish drink
the water constantly, which affects their internal body chemistry to
the surrounding water.

[5] UV Sterilization; UV Sterilizers are in my opinion, not essential,
but are VERY important. UV Sterilizers help with disease prevention and
also help maintain a proper Redox Potential (oxidation properties of
water). The Redox Potential is often overlooked by many aquarists. For
more information please see my article:
http://uvsterilizer.blogspot.com/

[6] Proper Fish and feeding; do not over crowd a marine aquarium. The
amount of fish depends on the aquarium surface area and the type of
fish. My article "Basic Aquarium Principles" addresses this
subject. Feed your marine fish according to the type of food they
naturally eat in the wild. Aquatic based foods such as HBH Marine Flake
or Spirulina 20 Flake are good generic fish foods for Tangs, angels,
clown fish, ECT. (Angels also need sponge in their diet).

Here is a site with other informational links:
http://aquarium-info.blogspot.com/

Here is a link to Amazon.com with a good book I recommend:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671228099/sr=1-1/qid=1156374446/ref=sr_1_1/102-8889895-2718550?ie=UTF8&s=books

Carl

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Keyser Sose



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

Hello guys,
I am about to set my tank up again from scratch after giving away my
previous fish due to a house move. I used to keep freshwater and was quite
successful thoiugh I never succeeded in breeding any species. I used to
keep plastic plants as well.

I have a clean slate and I am interested in Marine. I love the Yellow Tangs
and Clowns and would love to set this up. However, I have heard that marine
is many times more diffcult than fresh. I can understand that to some
extent because of the water minerals etc. However, is it really all that
difficult?

Any good resources and books? Or should I forget the idea and stick with
fresh water?

Thanks for any tips and advice.

Steve
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Keyser Sose



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

Thanks for such a comprehensive reply !!!
Steve
"carlrs" wrote in message @h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Keyser Sose wrote:
>> Hello guys,
>> I am about to set my tank up again from scratch after giving away my
>> previous fish due to a house move. I used to keep freshwater and was
>> quite
>> successful thoiugh I never succeeded in breeding any species. I used to
>> keep plastic plants as well.
>>
>> I have a clean slate and I am interested in Marine. I love the Yellow
>> Tangs
>> and Clowns and would love to set this up. However, I have heard that
>> marine
>> is many times more diffcult than fresh. I can understand that to some
>> extent because of the water minerals etc. However, is it really all that
>> difficult?
>>
>> Any good resources and books? Or should I forget the idea and stick with
>> fresh water?
>>
>> Thanks for any tips and advice.
>>
>> Steve
>
> I don't think keeping marine fish is that much harder than many
> Freshwater fish (especially discus). Marine Reef tanks are definately
> more difficult.
> I have kept and maintained Saltwater aquaria for many years and there
> are a few principles to follow;
>
> [1] Filtration; Good filtration is a must for a successful marine
> aquarium. There are many different filters available too.
>
> Canister filters are good for their capacity, but can become Nitrate
> factories is not rinsed very regularly. I do not recommend Fluvals due
> to their poor impeller design. Via Aqua. Eheim, Jebo, and Magnum are
> the ones I recommend.
>
> Wet/Dry filters are good, but usually are poor mechanical filters. The
> bio ball media in them also should be rinsed regularly in
> de-chlorinated water to prevent a buildup of organic material,
> increasing nitrates.
>
> Sump systems with live rock, plants, and sponge filters work well. The
> live rock is excellent for aerobic filtration (ammonia and nitrite
> removal) and anaerobic filtration (nitrate removal). The live plants
> and green algae are good for nitrogen fixing and phosphate removal. The
> sponge filter is a simple to clean aerobic bio-filter and mechanical
> filter.
>
> Hang on back filters are very limited, but can be used too, especially
> if combined with other bio filters. Internal filters are also limited,
> but once again are good combined with others.
>
> Filter redundancy is also important, as filters/pumps can break down.
> Extra filters also increase bio and mechanical filtration. An
> economical combination would be a sponge filter, internal filter, and a
> hang on back (power filter).
>
> [2] Lighting; A 10,000 K Daylight bulb is a start, better would be a
> 50/50 daylight/ 420nm actinic bulb, or better yet would be one of each.
>
> [3] Test Kits; an ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, ph, and KH (alkalinity)
> test kit are all important.
>
> [4] Water Chemistry; Start with a good marine salt and mix it to a
> specific gravity of 1.019- 1.021 for fish. Change water regularly (see
> my blog Reasons for aquarium cleaning ).
> Add trace elements and aquarium buffer. SeaChem makes an excellent
> product called Reef Calcium which maintains KH, adds calcium and
> magnesium. Many products available do not add both calcium and
> magnesium (such as Kalkwasser), and they are BOTH necessary together
> for proper chemistry and fish health. It should be noted, that unlike
> freshwater fish which absorb the water around them, marine fish drink
> the water constantly, which affects their internal body chemistry to
> the surrounding water.
>
> [5] UV Sterilization; UV Sterilizers are in my opinion, not essential,
> but are VERY important. UV Sterilizers help with disease prevention and
> also help maintain a proper Redox Potential (oxidation properties of
> water). The Redox Potential is often overlooked by many aquarists. For
> more information please see my article:
> http://uvsterilizer.blogspot.com/
>
> [6] Proper Fish and feeding; do not over crowd a marine aquarium. The
> amount of fish depends on the aquarium surface area and the type of
> fish. My article "Basic Aquarium Principles" addresses this
> subject. Feed your marine fish according to the type of food they
> naturally eat in the wild. Aquatic based foods such as HBH Marine Flake
> or Spirulina 20 Flake are good generic fish foods for Tangs, angels,
> clown fish, ECT. (Angels also need sponge in their diet).
>
> Here is a site with other informational links:
> http://aquarium-info.blogspot.com/
>
> Here is a link to Amazon.com with a good book I recommend:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671228099/sr=1-1/qid=1156374446/ref=sr_1_1/102-8889895-2718550?ie=UTF8&s=books
>
> Carl
>
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GSRS



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

I just went through the same scenario. I've had a successful marine tank in
the past, moved and went freshwater. Now I'm re-setting and considered
marine vs african cichlid. As far as I'm concerned the bottom line was $ of
the fish. Marine fish have gotten very expensive. 30-40 dollars per or
80-100 etc. is out of control. I was going to set up a marine tank with
damsels only, they are colorful, but I know I'd break down sooner or later
and want to jetison the damsels for the tangs etc...

I'm going cichlid. Too many other hobbies and not enought $$.

If you have the dough, try it. Just realize you'll easily spend a coupd of
hundred dollars or more on fish during the first year. Tank maintenance and
salt etc... is not that big a deal.

Good luck.

Russ

"Keyser Sose" wrote in message @bt.com...
> Hello guys,
> I am about to set my tank up again from scratch after giving away my
> previous fish due to a house move. I used to keep freshwater and was
> quite successful thoiugh I never succeeded in breeding any species. I
> used to keep plastic plants as well.
>
> I have a clean slate and I am interested in Marine. I love the Yellow
> Tangs and Clowns and would love to set this up. However, I have heard
> that marine is many times more diffcult than fresh. I can understand that
> to some extent because of the water minerals etc. However, is it really
> all that difficult?
>
> Any good resources and books? Or should I forget the idea and stick with
> fresh water?
>
> Thanks for any tips and advice.
>
> Steve
>
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carlrs



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

GSRS wrote:
> I just went through the same scenario. I've had a successful marine tank in
> the past, moved and went freshwater. Now I'm re-setting and considered
> marine vs african cichlid. As far as I'm concerned the bottom line was $ of
> the fish. Marine fish have gotten very expensive. 30-40 dollars per or
> 80-100 etc. is out of control.
> If you have the dough, try it. Just realize you'll easily spend a coupd of
> hundred dollars or more on fish during the first year. Tank maintenance and
> salt etc... is not that big a deal.

Where is it that you live that marine fish cost so much? I guess the
market I was in (LA, Calif.) was relatively cheap. Damsels- $3; Yellow
Tangs $12; Blue Tangs- $18 ECT.
African Cichlids are nice too.

Good Luck, Carl
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

Wow, i guess transport to the east cost (NJ) really jacks up the costs. I
was in a local store 2 weeks ago. Damsels are 6-8, yellow tangs were in the
30-35 range, I think the blue hiippo tangs were around 45.

Another reason to leave NJ.

"carlrs" wrote in message @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Where is it that you live that marine fish cost so much? I guess the
> market I was in (LA, Calif.) was relatively cheap. Damsels- $3; Yellow
> Tangs $12; Blue Tangs- $18 ECT.
> African Cichlids are nice too.
>
> Good Luck, Carl
>
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Miss Anne Thrope



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

Steve, this is the main reason I stay with fresh water tanks.

A $3 fish flushes SO much easier than a $75 fish.
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swarvegorilla



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Marine or fresh - setting up again Reply with quote

cycle the tank first!!
may take around a month
then get the clowns (pair)
and then maybe 1 tang
while the tank cycles (keep feeding it every day) you should read and read
and read
by the time it's good to go you'll be ready to stock!



"Keyser Sose" wrote in message @bt.com...
> Hello guys,
> I am about to set my tank up again from scratch after giving away my
> previous fish due to a house move. I used to keep freshwater and was
> quite successful thoiugh I never succeeded in breeding any species. I
> used to keep plastic plants as well.
>
> I have a clean slate and I am interested in Marine. I love the Yellow
> Tangs and Clowns and would love to set this up. However, I have heard
> that marine is many times more diffcult than fresh. I can understand that
> to some extent because of the water minerals etc. However, is it really
> all that difficult?
>
> Any good resources and books? Or should I forget the idea and stick with
> fresh water?
>
> Thanks for any tips and advice.
>
> Steve
>

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