I want a nemo tank.

Richard Reynolds · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 268

not to be a pita but a few minor comments

"Thomas Bishop" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
> "Brian" wrote in message
> > Berlin XL good for 400 gallons.
>
> Is that a skimmer? If it's anything like a canister filter, dump it.

yes its a skimmer no its not "good for 400 gallons" its rated at 400gallons its probibly
good for 200~250

> > 1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
> > crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
> > I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
> > about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
>
> Wait, it this your sump? If so you've just turned it into a refugium,
> although a poor one. The point of a refugium is to remove nitrates and you
> have just contradicted that by saying you're putting crushed coral in. A
> 4-6 inch sand bed is called a "deep sand bed" (DSB) and is recommended for
> nitrate reduction. Google it.

its called a plennum, its equal to or better than a DSB as it comes to NNR, you are
forcing a known amount of anerobic space using the egg crate in his description, UGF
filter grates are also commonly used. however its not exactly better as they dont support
the life that a DSB does.

--
Richard Reynolds
Richard.Reynolds@usa.net

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Thomas Bishop · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

"Brian" wrote in message
> Berlin XL good for 400 gallons.

Is that a skimmer? If it's anything like a canister filter, dump it.

> I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
> it will have to pump 8-9 feet

Make sure you take into account the head pressure when matching your
overflow/sump pump.

> 1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
> crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
> I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
> about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.

Wait, it this your sump? If so you've just turned it into a refugium,
although a poor one. The point of a refugium is to remove nitrates and you
have just contradicted that by saying you're putting crushed coral in. A
4-6 inch sand bed is called a "deep sand bed" (DSB) and is recommended for
nitrate reduction. Google it.

> Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
> bed is in the sump ?

Well, if your REFUGIUM contains your DSB then you don't need it in your
display, especially since your sump/refugium is almost as big as your
display. I would put enough sand in to cover the bottom.

> Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
> phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
> reading)

I run a hang-on filter just for carbon.

> Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
> I need a lot more light, suggestions ?

I have a suggestion: Buy my lights. I keep meaning to post them in
rec.aquaria.marketplace but I always forget. They're 4x55, two daylight and
two actinic. That's a decent amount of lighting, but if you really want to
soop it up, go metal halide. I'll let someone else recommend the wattage,
but you'll need two bulbs over a tank that size, and maybe supplement it
with VHO. This gets expensive, much more than my PC lights that I am
selling. : )

Allamand · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

You can sell me your Discus too Smile

IMO.. Go MH lights.. much better then just CF
but you can still run both with the sump/ref in the
basement heat shouldn't be much of a problem
for you.

"Brian" wrote in message@epix.com...
> Now that I got your attention go easy on me. I had a nice reef tank
> years ago, but I got too busy and I sold it before it went downhill. So
> I have some experience with saltwater.
>
> I plan on getting rid of my discus and making that 65 gallon a reef
> tank. I will change the water first Smile

>
> I would like some input on my plans, good or bad
>
> 65 gallon tank
> 55 gallon sump in basement. Will provide easy water changes, basement is
> cooler, There isn't a lot of room under a 65
> Berlin XL good for 400 gallons. Left from old setup
> I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
> it will have to pump 8-9 feet
> I was thinking about getting a berlin turbo pump to run the skimmer
> I had a jaubert system in my old tank (125) I was thinking of doing this
> in the 55 in the basement (sump)
> 1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
> crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
> I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
> about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
> Misc power heads
>
> Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
> bed is in the sump ?
>
> Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
> phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
> reading)
>
> Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
> I need a lot more light, suggestions ?
>
>
> I plan of having a hippo tang, clownfish (yes I saw the movie and it
> pushed me over the edge to start again because I have more time)
> Maybe a square anthias, yellow tang, I like the watchman gobie but I
> will need to put sand in the display tank then.
>
> As far as corals:
> Mushrooms
> leather corals
> frog spawn
> brain
> tongue coral
> star polyps
> Bubble
>
> And maybe an anenome for the clownfish. Suggestions ?
>
> Tropical marine salt
>
> What would you do different before I start this ?
>
> Thanks
>
>

Brian · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Now that I got your attention go easy on me. I had a nice reef tank
years ago, but I got too busy and I sold it before it went downhill. So
I have some experience with saltwater.

I plan on getting rid of my discus and making that 65 gallon a reef
tank. I will change the water first Smile

I would like some input on my plans, good or bad

65 gallon tank
55 gallon sump in basement. Will provide easy water changes, basement is
cooler, There isn't a lot of room under a 65
Berlin XL good for 400 gallons. Left from old setup
I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
it will have to pump 8-9 feet
I was thinking about getting a berlin turbo pump to run the skimmer
I had a jaubert system in my old tank (125) I was thinking of doing this
in the 55 in the basement (sump)
1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
Misc power heads

Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
bed is in the sump ?

Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
reading)

Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
I need a lot more light, suggestions ?

I plan of having a hippo tang, clownfish (yes I saw the movie and it
pushed me over the edge to start again because I have more time)
Maybe a square anthias, yellow tang, I like the watchman gobie but I
will need to put sand in the display tank then.

As far as corals:
Mushrooms
leather corals
frog spawn
brain
tongue coral
star polyps
Bubble

And maybe an anenome for the clownfish. Suggestions ?

Tropical marine salt

What would you do different before I start this ?

Thanks

ReeFeR_MaN · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 41

Quote: I will change the water first Smile

Brian, your off to an excellent start mate !!!! Smile

"Brian" wrote in message@epix.com...
> Now that I got your attention go easy on me. I had a nice reef tank
> years ago, but I got too busy and I sold it before it went downhill. So
> I have some experience with saltwater.
>
> I plan on getting rid of my discus and making that 65 gallon a reef
> tank. I will change the water first Smile

>
> I would like some input on my plans, good or bad
>
> 65 gallon tank
> 55 gallon sump in basement. Will provide easy water changes, basement is
> cooler, There isn't a lot of room under a 65
> Berlin XL good for 400 gallons. Left from old setup
> I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
> it will have to pump 8-9 feet
> I was thinking about getting a berlin turbo pump to run the skimmer
> I had a jaubert system in my old tank (125) I was thinking of doing this
> in the 55 in the basement (sump)
> 1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
> crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
> I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
> about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
> Misc power heads
>
> Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
> bed is in the sump ?
>
> Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
> phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
> reading)
>
> Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
> I need a lot more light, suggestions ?
>
>
> I plan of having a hippo tang, clownfish (yes I saw the movie and it
> pushed me over the edge to start again because I have more time)
> Maybe a square anthias, yellow tang, I like the watchman gobie but I
> will need to put sand in the display tank then.
>
> As far as corals:
> Mushrooms
> leather corals
> frog spawn
> brain
> tongue coral
> star polyps
> Bubble
>
> And maybe an anenome for the clownfish. Suggestions ?
>
> Tropical marine salt
>
> What would you do different before I start this ?
>
> Thanks
>
>

Marc Levenson · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 667

Hi Brian,

Since you have experience, we'll have to treat you accordingly. No newbie help
for you! (soup nazi)

Read on.....

Brian wrote:

> Now that I got your attention go easy on me. I had a nice reef tank
> years ago, but I got too busy and I sold it before it went downhill. So
> I have some experience with saltwater.

Welcome back.

>
>
> I plan on getting rid of my discus and making that 65 gallon a reef
> tank. I will change the water first Smile

Good choice. Clean the tank well. And tell us that you never dosed chemicals
in this freshwater tank?

> I would like some input on my plans, good or bad
>
> 65 gallon tank
> 55 gallon sump in basement. Will provide easy water changes, basement is
> cooler, There isn't a lot of room under a 65

Yes, that is true. However, some can make it work, like I did. Smile

http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/55sump.html

> Berlin XL good for 400 gallons. Left from old setup

I'm sure it is plenty for a 65g with a 40g sump.

> I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
> it will have to pump 8-9 feet

What gph flow do you expect to achieve at 9' head pressure?

> I was thinking about getting a berlin turbo pump to run the skimmer

Be sure to get the right pump rated for that skimmer.

> I had a jaubert system in my old tank (125) I was thinking of doing this
> in the 55 in the basement (sump)
> 1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
> crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
> I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
> about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.

Using a plenum is fine. LR is a good filtration as well. DSBs are more popular
now-a-days, and they are much easier to set up.

> Misc power heads
>
> Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
> bed is in the sump ?

Only as much as you want to see. Myself, I like the look of sand in the
display, and some fish and inverts live in sand. Some anemones like to plant
their foot in the sand, Fighting Conchs bury themselves for a week or so, and
some Wrasses sleep in the sand. Plus there are plate corals (Fungia) that live
on sand beds. Btw, you can *not* siphon/filter your sand. Just leave it be,
trying hard not to disturb it much. Your snails, crabs, conchs, etc will move
it and keep it clean.

> Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
> phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
> reading)

Hopefully you'll never need any of that stuff in your reef. I don't use any of
those. Just RO/DI water.

> Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
> I need a lot more light, suggestions ?

Double that lighting, and you are fine.

> I plan of having a hippo tang, clownfish (yes I saw the movie and it
> pushed me over the edge to start again because I have more time)

I hope the hippo is a baby, and that you'll be willing to give it away when it
gets bigger. Tangs love to swim in long bursts of speed, and a 4' tank is
really too short *in the long run.*

> Maybe a square anthias, yellow tang, I like the watchman gobie but I
> will need to put sand in the display tank then.

Gobies dig up your sand and make a mess. Decide for yourself how much you are
willing to put up with.

> As far as corals:
> Mushrooms
> leather corals
> frog spawn
> brain
> tongue coral
> star polyps
> Bubble

All good.

> And maybe an anenome for the clownfish. Suggestions ?

After 6 months of stable water, *and* good lighting, a BTA would be a nice
choice. (Bubble Tip Anemone)

> Tropical marine salt
>
> What would you do different before I start this ?
>
> Thanks

HTH

Marc

--
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Thomas Bishop · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

"Richard Reynolds" wrote in message
> its called a plennum, its equal to or better than a DSB as it comes to
NNR, you are
> forcing a known amount of anerobic space using the egg crate in his
description, UGF
> filter grates are also commonly used. however its not exactly better as
they dont support
> the life that a DSB does.

I guess I thought that the eggcrate was something he was putting under his
sump for padding. Learn something new every day.

Thomas Bishop · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 26

"Marc Levenson" wrote in message
> In a 36" x 18" tank I would suggest a DSB then. Great footprint area for
> denitrification, plus you'll have a some real nice aquascaping potential.

Are you referring to the display tank or the "sump"? I would recommend
putting the DSB in the sump and making it a refugium. Then put an inch or
two of sand in the display.

Brian · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Thomas Bishop wrote:

>"Brian" wrote in message
>
>
>>Berlin XL good for 400 gallons.
>>
>>
>
>Is that a skimmer? If it's anything like a canister filter, dump it.
>
It is a skimmer made by red sea

>
>
>
>>I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
>>it will have to pump 8-9 feet
>>
>>
>
>Make sure you take into account the head pressure when matching your
>overflow/sump pump.
>
>
>
>>1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
>>crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
>>I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
>>about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
>>
>>
>
>Wait, it this your sump? If so you've just turned it into a refugium,
>although a poor one. The point of a refugium is to remove nitrates and you
>have just contradicted that by saying you're putting crushed coral in. A
>4-6 inch sand bed is called a "deep sand bed" (DSB) and is recommended for
>nitrate reduction. Google it.
>
I know what you are talking about, but you have it wrong....or I didn't
explain it good enough
The base rock and live rock are in the display tank.
The original jaubert system said about using crushed coral, as long as
you put screen between it to keep the fine sand from falling down
through it. It was said a few years ago the crushed coral will dissolve
and provide calcium. I would think the sand would do the same myself.

>
>
>
>>Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
>>bed is in the sump ?
>>
>>
>
>Well, if your REFUGIUM contains your DSB then you don't need it in your
>display, especially since your sump/refugium is almost as big as your
>display. I would put enough sand in to cover the bottom.
>
>
>
>>Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
>>phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
>>reading)
>>
>>
>
>I run a hang-on filter just for carbon.
>
>
>
>>Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
>>I need a lot more light, suggestions ?
>>
>>
>
>I have a suggestion: Buy my lights. I keep meaning to post them in
>rec.aquaria.marketplace but I always forget. They're 4x55, two daylight and
>two actinic. That's a decent amount of lighting, but if you really want to
>soop it up, go metal halide. I'll let someone else recommend the wattage,
>but you'll need two bulbs over a tank that size,
>
You mean 2 more bulbs ?

> and maybe supplement it
>with VHO. This gets expensive, much more than my PC lights that I am
>selling. : )
>
I had a icecap 660 before but I kept it to start plants for the garden
and it burned out. I have the end caps and brackets so I only need the
ballast. I would need new bulbs though since the 65 is on 3 feet wide
and the bulbs I had before were 4 foot.

Thanks,

>
>
>
>

Brian · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Allamand

>You can sell me your Discus too Smile

>
They aren't that great. They are healthy, tank raised, bought them right
from the breeder, and eat tetra bits. But they maxed out at 5-6 inches.
I have 3 that size and 2 more that only got 4 inches. I like them but
having a bare tank in the living room isn't that nice to look at.

>
>
>IMO.. Go MH lights.. much better then just CF
>but you can still run both with the sump/ref in the
>basement heat shouldn't be much of a problem
>for you.
>
I think that is the route I will go.

>
>"Brian" wrote in message
>@epix.com...
>
>
>>Now that I got your attention go easy on me. I had a nice reef tank
>>years ago, but I got too busy and I sold it before it went downhill. So
>>I have some experience with saltwater.
>>
>>I plan on getting rid of my discus and making that 65 gallon a reef
>>tank. I will change the water first Smile

>>
>>I would like some input on my plans, good or bad
>>
>>65 gallon tank
>>55 gallon sump in basement. Will provide easy water changes, basement is
>>cooler, There isn't a lot of room under a 65
>>Berlin XL good for 400 gallons. Left from old setup
>>I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
>>it will have to pump 8-9 feet
>> I was thinking about getting a berlin turbo pump to run the skimmer
>>I had a jaubert system in my old tank (125) I was thinking of doing this
>>in the 55 in the basement (sump)
>>1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
>>crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
>>I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
>>about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
>>Misc power heads
>>
>>Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
>>bed is in the sump ?
>>
>>Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
>>phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
>>reading)
>>
>>Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
>>I need a lot more light, suggestions ?
>>
>>
>>I plan of having a hippo tang, clownfish (yes I saw the movie and it
>>pushed me over the edge to start again because I have more time)
>>Maybe a square anthias, yellow tang, I like the watchman gobie but I
>>will need to put sand in the display tank then.
>>
>>As far as corals:
>>Mushrooms
>>leather corals
>>frog spawn
>>brain
>>tongue coral
>>star polyps
>>Bubble
>>
>>And maybe an anenome for the clownfish. Suggestions ?
>>
>>Tropical marine salt
>>
>>What would you do different before I start this ?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Brian · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Richard Reynolds wrote:

>not to be a pita but a few minor comments
>
>"Thomas Bishop" wrote in message
>@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>>"Brian" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>Berlin XL good for 400 gallons.
>>>
>>>
>>Is that a skimmer? If it's anything like a canister filter, dump it.
>>
>>
>
>yes its a skimmer no its not "good for 400 gallons" its rated at 400gallons its probibly
>good for 200~250
>
You got me on that Smile

I know if I had a 400 gallon tank I would use more
then that skimmer. Its like an aquaclear 300 saying it is good for a 100
gallon tank

>
>
>
>>>1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
>>>crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
>>>I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
>>>about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
>>>
>>>
>>Wait, it this your sump? If so you've just turned it into a refugium,
>>although a poor one. The point of a refugium is to remove nitrates and you
>>have just contradicted that by saying you're putting crushed coral in. A
>>4-6 inch sand bed is called a "deep sand bed" (DSB) and is recommended for
>>nitrate reduction. Google it.
>>
>>
>
>its called a plennum, its equal to or better than a DSB as it comes to NNR, you are
>forcing a known amount of anerobic space using the egg crate in his description, UGF
>filter grates are also commonly used. however its not exactly better as they dont support
>the life that a DSB does.
>
>--
>Richard Reynolds
>Richard.Reynolds@usa.net
>
>
>
>

Brian · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Marc Levenson wrote:

>Hi Brian,
>
>Since you have experience, we'll have to treat you accordingly. No newbie help
>for you! (soup nazi)
>
>Read on.....
>
>Brian wrote:
>
>
>
>>Now that I got your attention go easy on me. I had a nice reef tank
>>years ago, but I got too busy and I sold it before it went downhill. So
>>I have some experience with saltwater.
>>
>>
>
>Welcome back.
>
>
>
>>I plan on getting rid of my discus and making that 65 gallon a reef
>>tank. I will change the water first Smile

>>
>>
>
>Good choice. Clean the tank well. And tell us that you never dosed chemicals
>in this freshwater tank?
>
One time last year a treatment of metronidazole. It says double the
amount for marine tanks and research has indicated minor chemical
effects on most invertebrates. Use at your own risk if invertebrates are
present in the system. I then removed it via a water change and carbon.
I usually change half the water every other week over the last year. Do
you think this will be a problem ?

>
>
>
>>I would like some input on my plans, good or bad
>>
>>65 gallon tank
>>55 gallon sump in basement. Will provide easy water changes, basement is
>>cooler, There isn't a lot of room under a 65
>>
>>
>
>Yes, that is true. However, some can make it work, like I did. Smile

>http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/55sump.html
>
I already checked your page out a few times. I have been reading here
for over a week and I know who "the king" is Smile

>
>
>
>
>>Berlin XL good for 400 gallons. Left from old setup
>>
>>
>
>I'm sure it is plenty for a 65g with a 40g sump.
>
>
>
>>I have a Gen-X pump to circulate. The sump will be raised off the floor
>>it will have to pump 8-9 feet
>>
>>
>
>What gph flow do you expect to achieve at 9' head pressure?
>
I can't find the chart on the gen-x any more. maybe 400-500 gph. 6-7
times per hour turnover. I know I will need power heads to circulate
water in the tank.

>
>
>
>> I was thinking about getting a berlin turbo pump to run the skimmer
>>
>>
>
>Be sure to get the right pump rated for that skimmer.
>
I know it is the right one for the berlin classic because it is sold as
a retro to convert it to the new turbo. I will have to check if it will
run the bigger XL model

>
>
>
>>I had a jaubert system in my old tank (125) I was thinking of doing this
>>in the 55 in the basement (sump)
>>1 inch spacers, layer of egg crate, layer of fiberglass mesh, 2 inches
>>crushed coral, layer of fiberglass, 2-3 inches sand.
>>I plan on putting about 60 lbs of base rock (the stuff you buy dry) and
>>about 20 lbs live rock to seed it.
>>
>>
>
>Using a plenum is fine. LR is a good filtration as well. DSBs are more popular
>now-a-days, and they are much easier to set up.
>
>
>
>>Misc power heads
>>
>>Would you put some sand in the display tank with the rock since the sand
>>bed is in the sump ?
>>
>>
>
>Only as much as you want to see. Myself, I like the look of sand in the
>display, and some fish and inverts live in sand. Some anemones like to plant
>their foot in the sand, Fighting Conchs bury themselves for a week or so, and
>some Wrasses sleep in the sand. Plus there are plate corals (Fungia) that live
>on sand beds. Btw, you can *not* siphon/filter your sand. Just leave it be,
>trying hard not to disturb it much. Your snails, crabs, conchs, etc will move
>it and keep it clean.
>
I will put sand in the tank. I am tired of the bare tank I have now.

>
>
>
>>Aquaclear 300 if I need more mech filtration and to put chemi pure,
>>phosphate removers, carbon, watersoftners (just making sure your are
>>reading)
>>
>>
>
>Hopefully you'll never need any of that stuff in your reef. I don't use any of
>those. Just RO/DI water.
>
>
>
>>Lighting I only have 2 -55 watt compact florescent strip light. I know
>>I need a lot more light, suggestions ?
>>
>>
>
>Double that lighting, and you are fine.
>
>
>
>>I plan of having a hippo tang, clownfish (yes I saw the movie and it
>>pushed me over the edge to start again because I have more time)
>>
>>
>
>I hope the hippo is a baby, and that you'll be willing to give it away when it
>gets bigger. Tangs love to swim in long bursts of speed, and a 4' tank is
>really too short *in the long run.*
>
I guess the tang is out because the tank is only 3 feet long and 18
inches wide

>
>
>
>>Maybe a square anthias, yellow tang, I like the watchman gobie but I
>>will need to put sand in the display tank then.
>>
>>
>
>Gobies dig up your sand and make a mess. Decide for yourself how much you are
>willing to put up with.
>
Point taken

>
>
>
>>As far as corals:
>>Mushrooms
>>leather corals
>>frog spawn
>>brain
>>tongue coral
>>star polyps
>>Bubble
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>All good.
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>
>
>>And maybe an anenome for the clownfish. Suggestions ?
>>
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>
>After 6 months of stable water, *and* good lighting, a BTA would be a nice
>choice. (Bubble Tip Anemone)
>
Thanks for the tip.

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>>Tropical marine salt
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>>What would you do different before I start this ?
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>>Thanks
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>>
>
>HTH
>
>Marc
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Brian · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Thomas Bishop wrote:

>"Richard Reynolds" wrote in message
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>
>>its called a plennum, its equal to or better than a DSB as it comes to
>>
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>NNR, you are
>
>
>>forcing a known amount of anerobic space using the egg crate in his
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>description, UGF
>
>
>>filter grates are also commonly used. however its not exactly better as
>>
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>they dont support
>
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>>the life that a DSB does.
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>
>I guess I thought that the eggcrate was something he was putting under his
>sump for padding. Learn something new every day.
>
The eggcrate is the plastic that is made up of little 1/2 squares. You
usually see it in pet shop tanks to place corals on or in filter sumps.
It is really lighting diffusser, the same size as drop ceiling panels to
go over florescent lights

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Marc Levenson · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 667

Brian wrote:

> One time last year a treatment of metronidazole. It says double the
> amount for marine tanks and research has indicated minor chemical
> effects on most invertebrates. Use at your own risk if invertebrates are
> present in the system. I then removed it via a water change and carbon.
> I usually change half the water every other week over the last year. Do
> you think this will be a problem ?
>

Hopefully someone else can answer that. I've never had to deal with that issue, as I
use new tanks. But I do know that if copper is used in a freshwater tank, the tank
can't be used for a reef later. I ass-ume that the copper stores up in the silicone
seals... Wink

> >Yes, that is true. However, some can make it work, like I did. Smile

> >http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/55sump.html
> >
> I already checked your page out a few times. I have been reading here
> for over a week and I know who "the king" is Smile

That is a joke, btw. Smile

> >What gph flow do you expect to achieve at 9' head pressure?
> >
> I can't find the chart on the gen-x any more. maybe 400-500 gph. 6-7
> times per hour turnover. I know I will need power heads to circulate
> water in the tank.

That will work. I guess you'll be usign MaxiJets for internal circulation? They are
pretty reliable an don't cost much. Or you could go with the Tunze Turbelle ($225
each).

> >Only as much as you want to see. Myself, I like the look of sand in the
> >display, and some fish and inverts live in sand. Some anemones like to plant
> >their foot in the sand, Fighting Conchs bury themselves for a week or so, and
> >some Wrasses sleep in the sand. Plus there are plate corals (Fungia) that live
> >on sand beds. Btw, you can *not* siphon/filter your sand. Just leave it be,
> >trying hard not to disturb it much. Your snails, crabs, conchs, etc will move
> >it and keep it clean.
> >
> I will put sand in the tank. I am tired of the bare tank I have now.

In a 36" x 18" tank I would suggest a DSB then. Great footprint area for
denitrification, plus you'll have a some real nice aquascaping potential.

Marc

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Marc Levenson · Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 667

Actually, I was referring to the display. He already wants to set up a plenum
system in the sump (or what I'd refer to as a refugium at that point), and this
would only help more.

However, if the plenum setup is large enough to do the job, 2" in the display is
plenty.

Marc

Thomas Bishop wrote:

> "Marc Levenson" wrote in message
> > In a 36" x 18" tank I would suggest a DSB then. Great footprint area for
> > denitrification, plus you'll have a some real nice aquascaping potential.
>
> Are you referring to the display tank or the "sump"? I would recommend
> putting the DSB in the sump and making it a refugium. Then put an inch or
> two of sand in the display.

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